tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post110471007411620340..comments2023-10-24T11:05:25.288-04:00Comments on Mark Rauterkus & Running Mates ponder current events: Chad's Vo-Tech U posting and our interactionsMark Rauterkushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1104817657876031122005-01-04T00:47:00.000-05:002005-01-04T00:47:00.000-05:00"Many of my colleagues look askance at me, and tha..."Many of my colleagues look askance at me, and that's just fine. In fact, I wouldn't have it any other way."<br /><br />People have looked at Chad for this way for a while, especially in Chad's early days in Pittsburgh at DU.<br /><br />It's not suprising to me at all. I hope that arrogance wears off sometime soon.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1104765508241520912005-01-03T10:18:00.000-05:002005-01-03T10:18:00.000-05:00Mark Rauterkus wrote:
Nods. Well, I do care about...Mark Rauterkus wrote: <br />Nods. Well, I do care about Vo Tech. I care about CMU and the Pittsburgh exer...<br /><br /><br />Hello, Mark --<br /><br /><br />> Sorry to seem overly self promotional. Makes us even for your no feedback form on your blog. :)<br /><br />Fair enough.<br /><br />Though I like to think of it as more self-preservation-al.<br /><br /><br />> Yes, I also see your points now more clearly about the youthfulness and the working from a base of existing understandings. Mostly being more mature and not on day one of university life.<br /><br />Exactly. Glad to have clarified.<br /><br />And glad to have exchanged emails.<br /><br />I'll look forward to seeing your name and to following your campaign -- for mayor, I presume?<br /><br />I'll also have to check out your blog when I get a chance. Right now, it's back to preparing for class tomorrow.<br /><br />Once again, a pleasure.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1104762222408474272005-01-03T09:23:00.000-05:002005-01-03T09:23:00.000-05:00Hello, Mark --
Interesting. Thanks for sharing.
...Hello, Mark --<br /><br />Interesting. Thanks for sharing.<br /><br />> What about the "gear heads" who are at CMU doing things like RED STORM? Have we come full circle?<br /><br />I suppose you could argue that.<br /><br />Of course, I'd also wager that the folks doing RED STORM didn't spend a lot of time worrying about how to market themselves to prospective employers when they were developing the skills they're now using.<br /><br />My point -- my problem is not with Dayton's attention to career placement but with their seemingly overheated first-to-last primary emphasis on it --<br />is that the better you work more on your education than on your marketing, more on your skills than on your spin, because once you get out there and<br />need to actually do something -- whether that's working on RED STORM or working for criminal and social justice or teaching writing and public speaking -- you can no longer rely on a nice headshot and web site.<br /><br />> What about the lack of Pgh Public School's VO Tech high school?<br /><br />I happen to think that's a shame. And a gaping hole in the education of a lot of city kids for whom -- the derision of young, arrogant classmates notwithstanding -- that kind of training would be incredibly valuable.<br /><br />> Pittsburgh is a place -- as is CMU -- where we are great at building thing. Management is nice -- but the real value isn't from management -- but from the outputs / outcomes.<br /><br />> (I'm getting under you skin, Mgt. Professor... to kick up some chatter.)<br /><br />You need to read more closely, Mark.<br /><br />I'm a COMMUNICATION professor who happens to be teaching in professional management programs at CM. There is, I'm happy to report, a big difference. Many of my colleagues look askance at me, and that's just fine. In fact, I wouldn't have it any other way.<br /><br /><br />> I think a good scholar is also a good hire -- employee. But, isn't it a good scholar one who can organize his/her thoughts, paper-trail, resume.<br /><br />Ideally, if not necessarily.<br /><br />And I'm certainly not arguing for a world full of scholars. (Lord help us!) But I am arguing for a world full of learners, which is a damn site better,<br />at least in my view, than a world full of self-promoters.<br /><br />All of this, it should be noted, is colored by my experience with students of both kinds -- guess which ones are my favorites? -- in my teaching.<br /><br />> And, what of life-long learning? Don't we really want to teach students at Universities not what to think -- but how to think and discover and continue to evolve themselves for decades to come.<br /><br />Of course. Absolutely. Amen.<br /><br />But I surely don't see those principles in the command to build an online resume before you've taken your first college class.<br /><br /><br />> Okay -- finally -- what about my resume? What about my thinking out loud in a blog format? What about the confidence that I hope to rally with the blog efforts? So, as a candidate, I need to build my 'resume and my 'campaign.' Then the voters decide to hire me or not come election day.<br /><br />Winning an election and landing a job, no matter how much recruiters and politicians like to wax metaphorical about the similarities, are radically<br />different.<br /><br /><br />> So, we are doing a dance. I don't find that "harmful" -- but an extention of a more holistic way to approach the crafting of our lives.<br /><br />Neither do I, necessarily. But to compare yourself to an 18-year-old freshman is pretty much apples-and-oranges. I don't know you, of course,<br />but I can infer from your writing and your thinking that you're educated and engaged in these kids of issues and ideas and ideals, and so you have not<br />just the experience and the training but also the repertoire of music behind you to support that dance.<br /><br />Those folks at Dayton -- and some of my colleagues at CMU -- are trying to get these kids to dance before teaching them -- or at least helping them to<br />refine -- a sense of rhythm.<br /><br />> As I blog, I rant about XYZ -- whatever. I'm sure I write things that others don't agree with. I go out on a limb. I'm not always "endearing" as some politicians might want to play it much closer to the vest.<br /><br />Well, to me, going out on a limb makes you an endearing politician. Or at least an interesting one. As a citizen, as a communicator, as a blogger --<br />hell, as a human being -- my preference is always for the candidates who come out and speak their minds. (Thoughtfully, passionately, pointedly.)<br /><br /><br />> They don't want to fail or be a turn-off. But, that play it safe mode isn't the type of leadership that pittsburgh needs at this critical time.<br /><br />Amen, brother.<br /><br /><br />> Today the purpose isn't to reach agreement with everyone. But, it is to allow for public thinking, problem solving, building interactions,<br />> building relationships and pumping up respect among all sectors (or as much as possible).<br />><br />> Mine isn't a 'guarded management style.' For the grass-roots to thrive -- it has to be out there and wide. Bottoms-up and all.<br /><br />Fair enough. And difficult to disagree with. Even as I struggle to see how any of this is relevant to the original discussion.<br /><br />So...<br /><br />...is this an intellectual exchange, or just another campaign strategy? An attempt to engage me in thoughtful give-and-take, or, in the end, just a tactic to get your name and your mind on my political radar?<br /><br />You'll forgive my cynicism here, but the latter half of your email takes a rather obvious turn into territory far afield from my blog post and your<br />initial reaction to it.<br /><br /><br />> In the end, back to the posting of yours -- I don't have much of a problem with the advice from the teachers at Dayton. I think it is more of an invite to be modern, up to date, self-documented, and highlighting the self evolution.<br /><br />That's possible.<br /><br />Except that much of their advice is just plain bad. As I wrote in the post, I don't claim to know that much about hiring in Criminal Justice Studies,<br />but, in my experience, I find it hard to believe that those things work or really carry any value other than the perception that one is being modern,<br />up-to-date, and self-documented. For business and computer science and engineering and economics and history and a lot of other majors whose<br />students I teach, that advice will actually undermine their chances of impressing recruiters and finding a good job.<br /><br />I also suspect that you might feel differently if you sat where I sit, and if you were more fully immersed in the context and culture of that kind of<br />advice, which stresses -- and here I am, back where I (and we) began -- marketing and self-promotion over education and self-improvement, which<br />privileges the accumulation of a signing bonus over the accumulation of a well-balanced education.<br /><br />A pleasure.<br /><br />Yours,<br /><br />ChadMark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.com