tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post114576090320825295..comments2023-10-24T11:05:25.288-04:00Comments on Mark Rauterkus & Running Mates ponder current events: Part 2 of a crap trapMark Rauterkushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145849654429986922006-04-23T23:34:00.000-04:002006-04-23T23:34:00.000-04:00Hi,"At this point the integrity of the organizatio...Hi,<BR/><BR/><I>"At this point the integrity of the organization is in question."</I><BR/><BR/>Darn tootin'.<BR/><BR/>The integrity of the organization is in question -- and it won't ever<BR/>come back. It is sunk.<BR/><BR/>If you didn't fork 3 months ago, and you didn't fork 3 days ago ---<BR/>you should have. If you don't fork NOW -- when you gotta -- then it is<BR/>clear to me what's up.<BR/><BR/>If you don't fork now, then the aim was to destory the organization<BR/>and destroy any and all integrity. To not fork is to stay the course<BR/>of victory of a lost cause -- sunk -- without integrity.<BR/><BR/>Russ is gone from PA Clean Sweep. You all need to go from the depths<BR/>of the ocean floor too.<BR/><BR/>Stay sunk and get pity. Or, make a dash and get a fresh start and<BR/>opportunity for progress. Your move. Duty for the future calls.<BR/><BR/><I>"Since those who resigned and lack legal authority refuse to obey<BR/>> Pennsylvania law or even compromise, it appears that only the courts<BR/>> can set things right and restore dignity to this movement."</I><BR/><BR/>The courts won't set things right. The courts won't restore dignity to<BR/>the movement. Solutions from the courts always either suck a lot or<BR/>suck a little. If you want a good solution -- then you fork, walk<BR/>away, move on.<BR/><BR/>If you want to suck a lot or suck a little -- keep going to the courts.<BR/><BR/>If you think that the courts can set things right and restore dignity,<BR/>you ARE hoplessly lost.<BR/><BR/>I beg to differ on the notion of 'management' from a board. And, as to<BR/>fiduciary responsibility, it takes a lot of responsibility to resign<BR/>an organization -- as in terminate it. You need to FORFEIT the PAST.<BR/>Chart a course with a new org for the future. You can't stay where you<BR/>are and do any good any longer.<BR/><BR/>Start a new campaign on Monday. Call it PA Super Sweep.<BR/><BR/>BTW: Domains are available, if you check, www.4domins.com.<BR/>PASuperSweep.com, .org, .net<BR/>SuperSweep.Org, SuperSweep.net<BR/>SuperSweepers.Org, SuperSweepers.net<BR/><BR/>I'd use that blogspot thing you already got as a HEADSTONE. Nuff said.<BR/><BR/>Good night.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145849547623921412006-04-23T23:32:00.000-04:002006-04-23T23:32:00.000-04:00Mark,Thanks for your views. Your suggestions are n...<I>Mark,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for your views. Your suggestions are noted.<BR/><BR/>"Forking" was considered in the calm before the storm. I know<BR/>several board members were on the verge of resigning months ago -- I<BR/>was one of them -- to carry the reform banner in other ways.<BR/><BR/>There were coordinators who were in the same boat. They were going<BR/>to throw in the towel or form splinter groups in their own area.<BR/>They were telling US that they had bad feelings about Russ'<BR/>perceived opportunism, and if he ran for office they would leave<BR/>PACleanSweep.<BR/><BR/>We knew this, and we knew Russ was running for governor. We knew it<BR/>was important for PACleanSweep to have strong leadership and handle<BR/>Russ' candidacy appropriately. That can't be done from the<BR/>sidelines. That can't be done by resigning.<BR/><BR/>Russ is great at exaggerating and spinning the board's level of<BR/>involvement. If he had you believing the board consisted of "waste-<BR/>aways" then he was intentionally misleading and deceiving you.<BR/>Ironically, Russ claims his actions were a response to a lack of<BR/>planning by the board. So he demanded unconditional resignations<BR/>without outlining HIS vision for the future.<BR/><BR/>Serving as a director charges a person with fiduciary and management<BR/>responsibilities. One doesn't exercise that responsibility by<BR/>resigning. One only forfeits it.<BR/><BR/>This isn't about Russ' candidacy. It's about what Russ was willing<BR/>to do to get what he wanted. It's about Russ' disregard for the<BR/>rules of this organization. It's about ensuring that PACleanSweep<BR/>remains non-partisan and objective. The board members who refused to<BR/>resign did so because they did not have trust Russ Diamond<BR/>completely. They couldn't read his mind and could not be certain<BR/>that he would make the right decisions. They chose not to forfeit<BR/>their rights and responsibilities in guiding PACleanSweep, and Russ'<BR/>actions in the days and weeks since have shown everyone that they<BR/>were right NOT to give him complete control.<BR/><BR/>So, it's about right and wrong. It's about principle. And it's about<BR/>more. Your suggestion that we "walk away" may have been a solution 3<BR/>months ago, but it's not viable today.<BR/><BR/>At this point the integrity of the organization is in question.<BR/>Since those who resigned and lack legal authority refuse to obey<BR/>Pennsylvania law or even compromise, it appears that only the courts<BR/>can set things right and restore dignity to this movement.<BR/></I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145844007980351182006-04-23T22:00:00.000-04:002006-04-23T22:00:00.000-04:00I posted this to a public group: pacleansweepuncen...I posted this to a public group: pacleansweepuncensored@yahoogroups.com<BR/><BR/>Hi,<BR/><BR/>A person might have posted something that started with:<BR/><BR/>... This is about a little more than "right or wrong." ....<BR/><BR/>Sigh....<BR/><BR/>If it is more than "right or wrong" -- then it is perhaps a 'holy war.' <BR/><BR/>Nuff typed here. I'm still putting my insights on my blog so everyone can see them there. <BR/><BR/>http://rauterkus.blogspot.com/2006/04/part-2-of-crap-trap.html<BR/><BR/>In my post -- I've given an EXIT idea... My $.02 suggestion, begin "PA SUPER Sweep." <BR/><BR/>Open a PAC bank account, get a Pay Pal direct deposit. You could be collecting money by lunch on Monday. <BR/><BR/>+ Looking in the rear view mirror is stupid.<BR/><BR/>+ Waiting around for a month to collect money is stupid.<BR/><BR/>+ To move around the deck chairs on the sunk ship is stupid -- while you are at the bottom of the ocean already.<BR/><BR/>+ To compromise, 1% or even 99% or 50% -- on your dreams for an organization seems stupid too. If this is, as you said, 'more than right and wrong' -- then you should chart a new course. <BR/><BR/>1. FORK, <BR/>2. Re-form, <BR/>3. show results. <BR/><BR/>A real reformer wouldn't be so stupid as to sink his own ship and stay there. Even a stupid scorched earth policy would necessitate that the ones that burn the village move along after setting fires.<BR/><BR/>In the high-tech world, it is okay to FORK a project if you have different goals, different objectives, different understandings. Even if you don't call it a 'fork' -- then do a MOLT. That is okay in nature. Shed the old skin -- and move along. Or, do the hermit crab dance and leave one shell behind and scramble to another.<BR/><BR/>But the sillyness here has been to dance between two shells -- in no-man's land.<BR/><BR/>I'm done with this holy war. The reasoning here is over-cooked, spent, self-destructed. <BR/><BR/>You're only way out, unless you want to live in an endless storm of pity, (pity for you, pity on you) -- is to FORK and make PA SUPER SWEEP and do it in the next minutes, not days. This is the only way to ever gain back any respect. Choose to live in the present and future and dodge the pity that would otherwise shadow you at ever turn hence forth.<BR/><BR/>Politics isn't about the past. Politics is about the future. Play that game with the big players.<BR/><BR/><BR/><BR/>Ta.<BR/><BR/>Mark Rauterkus Mark@Rauterkus.com<BR/>http://Rauterkus.blogspot.com <BR/>http://Rauterkus.com http://Platform.For-Pgh.org<BR/>412 298 3432 = cellMark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145842009646912092006-04-23T21:26:00.000-04:002006-04-23T21:26:00.000-04:00"But there's no reasoning with him. It's Russ' way..."But there's no reasoning with him. It's Russ' way or the highway.<BR/>This movement will go on without him and we will be stronger and<BR/>more principled without him."<BR/><BR/>There is no reason to reason with you as you are unreasonable and you wanted a quiet solution. <BR/><BR/>The movement can't go on if you look in your rear view mirror, time and time again. <BR/><BR/>If you want to be stronger -- you go for it. Prove it. Do it. The hot air I see now just feels like bad breath. <BR/><BR/>Go brush your teeth, be "super clean" and sparkle right into the primary and general election. Let us know when and where you have a victory party.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145841704467262472006-04-23T21:21:00.000-04:002006-04-23T21:21:00.000-04:00If you know it is terrible -- don't go there. "Thi...If you know it is terrible -- don't go there. "This is a terrible last resort."<BR/><BR/>If you tried to stop it -- you failed. Just go your own way. You can't stop another person. You can't push yourself on others and expect to have people cheering for that.<BR/><BR/>"I tried to stop it and tried deal<BR/>directly with Russ. As you know I'm certainly not against Russ and<BR/>have volunteered for him in the past."<BR/><BR/>What is in the past is in the past. That doesn't give you a free ride today. Take your knowledge, relationships and insights and re-up on a new organizational effort for the weeks and months to come.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145841522423964872006-04-23T21:18:00.000-04:002006-04-23T21:18:00.000-04:00"We aren't legallyallowed to raise or spend money...."We aren't legally<BR/>allowed to raise or spend money."<BR/><BR/>Here is where you lost me again. IF YOU WANT to, go out and raise money -- do it. Fork. Go a new route. Make a new PAC (political action committee). Be the PA Clean WACKERS. Be the PA CLEANEST SWEEPERS, but that might be toooo close for comfort. Be the PA SUPER Sweepers, if you feel that would be good to hitch on SWANN's bandwagon. <BR/><BR/>To set up a new PAC, PA SUPER SWEEPERS, takes a about 4 sheets of paper and a trip over to PayPal. <BR/><BR/>Then you could raise money. Don't sing the blues -- fix it. Then move on. The name "move on" has already been taken -- but this is what you need to do, MOVE ON.<BR/><BR/>Don't bend over and meet someone 50-percent or 99-percent of the way -- just do you own thing 100% of the way. <BR/><BR/>YOU SHOULD form a new group, PA SUPER SWEEPERS. Do it in 4 hours and live in the present. <BR/><BR/>All the money you raise could be leveraged for a lot of good.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145841197830081082006-04-23T21:13:00.000-04:002006-04-23T21:13:00.000-04:00You wrote: "Our ability to coordinate with candida...You wrote: "Our ability to coordinate with candidates and volunteers has been hamstrung." <BR/><BR/>No joke. YOU HUNG YOURSELVES. YOU SELF-IMPLODED. Trust has been lost, forever, by you and yours. You're sunk and now just worried about counting the bodies on the ship at the bottom of the ocean.<BR/><BR/>Your abilities are to be questioned. You can't coordinate by putting poison out elsewhere and expect to be the new pipper.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145841015069845832006-04-23T21:10:00.000-04:002006-04-23T21:10:00.000-04:00This "law breaker" or "law protector" claim is cra...This "law breaker" or "law protector" claim is crap too. You are not the Attorney General. You don't have a case. You don't have a law breaker. You didn't file a court case. <BR/><BR/>I've said before, a candidate isn't a candidate in the eyes of the judge in PA Courts, IMNSHO, until he has put in his papers to get onto the ballot. That is the benchmark you'll need to consider before you hang your hat on law breaker status. And, that won't happen until August 1. <BR/><BR/>To put a case against RUSS in a criminal way (you can't) -- or in a civil way -- you gotta file. You shouldn't file. You should let it go. And, you should think about what it means to casting that first stone -- or in your case, that next stone. <BR/><BR/>Speak up all you want -- but don't call a guy a criminal. And now that you've spoken up -- you've lost all credit.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145840242126154852006-04-23T20:57:00.000-04:002006-04-23T20:57:00.000-04:00This again makes no sense: "Trying to "settle itqu...This again makes no sense: <BR/><BR/>"Trying to "settle it<BR/>quietly." Again and again and again. Russ wants no part of it. For a<BR/>month he rebuffed all attempts to negotiate. He backpedaled out of<BR/>his latest "offer."<BR/><BR/>Russ says nothing -- and that is as quiet as one can get. Nothing from nothing means nothing -- or quiet.<BR/><BR/>To backpedal out of the organization is a silent exit. That's what you wanted. That's what you got. So, you don't cry the blues today. Unless, of course, you want a holy war.<BR/><BR/>Frankly, I'd not backpedal -- I'd RUN AWAY AS FAST AND FAR as possible. You are righter than right and self-imploded.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145839950177758262006-04-23T20:52:00.000-04:002006-04-23T20:52:00.000-04:00The organization's principles were NOT violated. T...The organization's principles were NOT violated. The organization's efforts were, IMHO, advanced. <BR/><BR/>The aim was to throw the bumbs out. Rendell is one of the bumbs, if not the biggest one. And, Swann, with his comfy ties to the chief pay jacker, and with his ties to the majority party in the house and senate (the Rs), is a tight friend of the bumbs and has not distanced himself from their ways or influence. <BR/><BR/>And, if there is a problem with some proceedure -- what is not talked about -- this has been fixed with the exit of Russ Diamond from the roles at PA Clean Sweep. So, it is OVER. Done. Don't dwell.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145839725757775292006-04-23T20:48:00.000-04:002006-04-23T20:48:00.000-04:00If, "This is about a little more than "right or wr...If, "This is about a little more than "right or wrong." -- THEN -- it is a HOLY war. Then it is a PERSONALITY WAR. <BR/><BR/>Frankly, if it is MORE than about RIGHT and WRONG -- then I'm not interested. THAT is CRAP TRAP # whatever. Thanks for being so brazen right from the first line of the post to signal just how out of touch you really are.Mark Rauterkushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17157914569686528007noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7481330.post-1145839602575116312006-04-23T20:46:00.000-04:002006-04-23T20:46:00.000-04:00Part 3:This email was posted to another list.My re...Part 3:<BR/><BR/>This email was posted to another list.<BR/><BR/>My reply will follow.<BR/><I><BR/>This is about a little more than "right or wrong." This is about an<BR/>organization founded on principles. Those principles were violated.<BR/><BR/>We're opposing the whole legislature because no one spoke up. No one<BR/>did "the right thing."<BR/><BR/>What do you think we've been doing for a month? Trying to "settle it<BR/>quietly." Again and again and again. Russ wants no part of it. For a<BR/>month he rebuffed all attempts to negotiate. He backpedaled out of<BR/>his latest "offer."<BR/><BR/>Since he refused to meet us half way (or 10% of the way or 1% of the<BR/>way) we ultimately had to either ALLOW Russ to violate the law or<BR/>speak up.<BR/><BR/>For a month this organization has been paralyzed because of Russ'<BR/>unilateral and illegal actions. Our ability to coordinate with<BR/>candidates and volunteers has been hamstrung. We aren't legally<BR/>allowed to raise or spend money.<BR/><BR/>This is a terrible last resort. I tried to stop it and tried deal<BR/>directly with Russ. As you know I'm certainly not against Russ and<BR/>have volunteered for him in the past.<BR/><BR/>But there's no reasoning with him. It's Russ' way or the highway.<BR/>This movement will go on without him and we will be stronger and<BR/>more principled without him.<BR/><BR/>Mike</I>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com