Sunday, August 21, 2005

Hardware for the kids


Green Tree Great White Sharks had its swim picnic and gives each participant a trophy. The ones on the team for five years get a special award. Medals were earned at the All Star Meet and the Championship Meet. Posted by Picasa

Possible Casino Operators have been buying politicians for years.

The Post Gazette article on gambling money that flows to political candidates is a nice summary.
Gambling interests leave nothing to chance Groups and individuals with an interest in securing a state license for a slot machine casino in Pittsburgh have pumped hundreds of thousands of dollars into the campaigns of key state and local politicians during the past four years, with $137,550 coming after the gambling law was passed in 2004.

Gov. Ed Rendell has received $147,688 since 2002 from members of the development family that owns Station Square, a potential casino site. Since the gambling law was passed, he also has returned $15,000 from a license candidate.

He and other politicians who have received contributions from potential applicants say the donations will have no impact on who gets the lucrative license, which will be awarded by a state board appointed by Rendell and top legislative leaders.

The soft money is another major concern of mine. Untold millions have been put into various lobby interests and party interests too.

The state legislature has its own slush funds for the control of state-money, but there are other funds controlled by party that are for election efforts too. Real power comes as the various funds form a combination 1-2-3 punch. And on the bench sits a pipeline of addtional players who poised and perhaps poisoned with ambitions more giving to insure their sweetheart deals.

Some candidates have money. Some candidates have little. A great majority of candidates that have money did NOT get that money from the "support" of regular people who want "good government." Don't fool yourself. Most of the money came from people who want to buy off part of the system for their own benefit.

I am proud to say that I ran a campaign for state senate and was out spent 500-to-one by EACH of my opponents. Those guys spent money because the GAMBLING INTERESTS had given them money.

Goofy example: Gov. Rendell's money went to candidate Fontana, D, to be used to broadcast the message that candidate Diven, once a D now a R, voted for Gov Rendell's (D) budgets in the past.

The system doesn't make sense. And the scorecard used by the media to judge if a candidate is viable is not only worthless, it's harmful.

In 2005, I got 2,542 votes and raised $3,400. That means each vote cost about $1.33. In 2001 as a GOP candidate for Mayor, I got votes at $.60 each.

Meanwhile, in 2001 the big-boy Dems who ran for mayor got votes for $30 each. And in 2005, both of my state senate opponents raised nearly $1-million and got less than 20,000 votes for the victor and some 35,000 combined. They are in the range of $60 spent per vote, on average.

Reporters with newspapers and media should tell the public how much money the candidates need to spend to score a vote. What I'm talking about here is all election data that needs to be reported with different benchmarks. These numbers are easy to find and calculate.

Consider the other sums of cash that are spent in other ways from the operations of our governmental entities. Proclamations are given. Corporate welfare is given. Contracts are let without bids. So on and so forth.

Candidates who need to raise more than $10 a vote are not worthy to serve in public office.

Saturday, August 20, 2005

Jerry Bowyer on Black and White Employment

BuzzCharts: Jerry Bowyer on Black and White Employment on NRO Financial The current black unemployment rate is at its lowest point since the recession year of 2001. Black unemployment is also lower than the average for the Clinton years.


I don't know the scope of those numbers. I image that they are nation-wide.

I wonder if the numbers for locals or for our region hold to the same outcomes?

At the end of the article, the author states "that African-American citizens tend to be closer to the Republican party on moral and cultural issues, but that they have been persuaded that Republican economics are detrimental to their interests." I'll not bicker with that statement. However, I'm not sure what Republican party he is speaking of. Some of the Republicans are heavy spenders. Gov. Ridge grew the government in PA while in office. The state house and state senate are controlled by Republicans and the budget and taxes are increasing too.

"... It could be game over for the Democrats."

Wishful thinking is always welcomed. Same too with educated thinking.

However, I don't expect to see a big outward migration of African-American voters away from the "D" and to the "R" side. That move is just too hard to make. Going from "BLUE" (i.e., blue state = Democratic Party) to "RED" is a massive jump. And, to get a massive amount of voters within a block to make that jump is a massive pipedream.

However, going away from "BLUE" and landing in a "middle ground" -- but not all the way to "RED" is a different saga and offers different outlooks. I think it is possible to get a large number of black-urban-northeast voters to leave the Democratic party. A major exodus is possible, should the right motivations be presented with gusto and reason. This is would be a major blow to the "new-deal alliance" that Bowyer mentioned.

But, I don't see massive number of people doing a switch like that of Anakin Skywalker. Anakin, a Star Wars character, went from Jedi to the dark side. Going from D to R is a massive shift that some can make -- but most won't. Sorry. That notion is just too radical, too bold, too much. Human nature and some issues about the present day Republicans are such that there won't be a massive parade of individuals joining the ranks of the GOP -- even if unemployment was set to zero.

A middle ground is needed.

I don't think that there are two sides. Even a coin has three sides: heads, tails and the edge. One can roll a coin or spin a coin on its edge better than if it is flat on heads or tails.

My political registration when away from "R" and I could not become a "D" -- because the top Democrat in Pittsburgh is Tom Murphy. I can't be in a party lead by Tom Murphy. The Ds have killed our city in many ways, politically.

I've found a home in a party that isn't "RED" nor "BLUE." It is more of a middle ground. It was an easy transition. It is well suited for me -- being a Libertarian.

Some Ds might become Libertarians. Some might be more at home in the Green Party. Some as Socialist Party Members. Some are okay to reject all parties and be an INDIE.

I think that the smartest Republicans can see the value in the exodus from the ranks of the Ds. But, insightful Rs can't expect the former Ds to join the Rs.

If Republicans worked to make ballot access, debate inclusion, and other political hurdles of free assocation easier to navigate, as expressed in the Constitution, then we all win.

Breakfast meeting with Mike T as a speaker.


Roges meet at the H.Inn near S.H. Village. That's State Rep, M.T., from the North Hills. He has family ties to the USC area. Posted by Picasa

Understanding the New Markets Tax Credit Program and Its Importance to the Pittsburgh Metropolitan Region

Hold onto your wallets. Here is the latest ploy. If some running mates want to go -- take good notes and report back to us all, please.
Wednesday, August 24, 2005
8:00 a.m. until Noon
Buchanan Ingersoll PC, One Oxford Centre - 20th Floor, 301 Grant Street, Pittsburgh

Hosted by Congressman Mike Doyle, Allegheny County Councilman Dave Fawcett and the Pittsburgh Metropolitan Area NMTC Community Development Fund Corporation invite you to attend a presentation on the New Markets Tax Credit ("NMTC") Program.

The NMTC Program has the potential to create both community development and financial rewards in Western Pennsylvania. Western Pennsylvania has been virtually ignored during the first three years of the NMTC Program. Congressman Doyle, County Council Member Fawcett, and the Corporation have taken the lead in an effort to change this and allow Western Pennsylvania to reap the benefits of the NMTC Program.

As a result, the presentation has been organized as a means of involving those persons whose professional and personal commitments lie in the community development area in support of an application for an award of tax credits under the NMTC Program that will be used solely for projects in Western Pennsylvania.

Prior to the presentation, program organizers encourage you to think of programs and projects within the scope of your organization's activities that are located in "low-income communities" and come to the meeting prepared to discuss the programs and projects and whether they qualify for the NMTC Program. Likewise, it would be helpful if would think about providing a commitment from your organization to support the Corporation's application under the NMTC Program. Your help will be of significant assistance to the Corporation in preparing a strong application for an allocation of NMTCs and increase its chances of success.

There is no charge for the presentation. Seating is limited.

Please RSVP at (412) 562-8437 or crimonek@bipc.com. If you have any questions in advance of the presentation, please call John Previs at (412) 562-8957 or previsjr@bipc.com.

Operation Clean Sweep askes: What to do about Judge CAPPY?

The Harrisburg Patriot News and concerned citizens groups are calling
on the Judicial Conduct Board to investigate Chief Justice Cappy's role in the recent pay grab by the Pennsylvania legislators.

It was recently discovered that Cappy met secretly with legislators. Cappy and all justices and judges also received a pay raise in the legislation. Following passage, Cappy publicly released a letter praising the "courage" of the legislators.

Cappy's problem stems from Articles 2 and 7 of the Code of Judicial Conduct which prohibits a judge from engaging in "political activity" and engaging in conduct that creates an "appearance of impropriety." Many believe lobbying legislators in secret is "political activity" and voicing approval of the legislators in a case that is sure to get to the Supreme Court creates an "appearance of impropriety."

OCS asks its members to join in on the call for an investigation by the Judicial Conduct Board by emailing a complaint to toni.schreffler@jcbpa.org. Let's keep the pot boiling!

Cornell: Conference on Language and Poverty in October, 2005

See the comments for details.

Software Freedom Day, Sept. 10, 2005. Coordinate or blab about your event(s) here

I'm a software guy, not a hardware guy. The mind leads and the body follows, in my humble opinion. With the tech world, the software represents the brains while the physical computer is more like the skin, bone and muscle. Our technology needs in the fast changing world are often met and best understood with software solutions.

The software decisions facing people, government, schools and businesses present an opportunity to choose among either "proprietary software" or "Free and Open Source Software (FOSS)."

My strong Information Technology stance is choose in favor of FOSS. When we choose to discover, investigate, install, deploy, network, promote and develop in the realm of open-source software efforts, we choose a kind of software that allows the users to view and adapt the source code and in turn, suit one's own needs. Open Source Software is real empowerment. And, it is a real community effort. In turn the public good is advanced.

A vast majority of Free and Open Source Software comes without charge, gratis. The open-source licenses put the utilities out and available or free, which means elininates software license fees. Open Source tools make technology accessible and affordable to small business, researchers, political activists and even those in Africa.

The high cost of proprietary software is responsible for higher incidence of software piracy, locally and globally. A Business Software Alliance put software piracy in Nigeria around 84 per cent. Hence, ligitimate business among computer vendors in Nigeria becomes problematic. Moves to Free and Open Source software and operating systems can be an avenue to make for legitimate business.

The celebration of Software Freedom Day (SFD) encourages grassroot efforts to promote alternative solutions. More especially, SFD celebrates the freedom, innovation and education FOSS presents to the global community.

Thousands of SFD teams are holding a range of events and celebrations for these concerns. Linux User Groups (LUGs), seminars, public square discussions, Linux road shows, confluence shows, sports, and music avenues are all part of the wide scope of activities.

Software Freedom Day (SFD) celebrations are slated for September 10, 2006.

Fund gets $ from nonprofits for bailout of city (too little, too late, too fictional)

Dream on Mayor Murphy. The budget worked upon last year at this time called for this money for this year. Too late. This $5-million was to be here for 2005. The deal is just being cut at the end of August and won't go to city council until September.

Mayor Murphy is making a three year deal as a lame-duck that has around three months of time in the office. Mayor Murphy is out of here, but his ills are going to cripple the region for generations to come. He can't cut a good deal for the citizens.

The deal is cloaked in secrecy. What's up with that. The mayor signed a public document and the public needs to have the wool pulled over its eyes too. We need a pledge as well as the courage to be OPEN and HONEST.

The real insult to injury is the fact that Mayor Murphy pushed the non-profits to expand in the past 12 years. The Mayor's efforts helped put UPMC Sports Medicine onto the South Side Works so that the nonprofit could take valued riverfront property that was to be an extension of the existing neighborhood and new jobs with light-industrial and flex-office space and housing. No.

UPMC is a nonprofit that rents to the Steelers, a private, for-profit company that already got a millions in a public subsidy with the new stadium on the North Side.

Pitt got to move some of its football operations out of Oakland into land that should be fueling the economic future of the region.

Solutions to follow.
New fund makes city rely on charity of nonprofits - PittsburghLIVE.com Mayor Tom Murphy signed a preliminary three-year agreement Aug. 5 with the newly formed Pittsburgh Public Service Fund, which makes few cash guarantees and is cloaked in secrecy.

The nonprofits are not stupid. And, the nonprofit leaders know that they can't trust Tom Murphy. Furthermore, they know that the deal that they are all signing isn't going to hold up come 2006. The entire saga is shameful. That is why they all insisted that it not see the light of day. The secrecy lessens the blush factor.

Solution: Establish a moratorium on nonprofit footprint expansion. Insist that all nonprofit growth be UPWARDS, out OUTWARDS. Growth needs to be with taller buildings, not rolling wide patches of land in neighborhoods.

A real inventory of nonprofit land is necessary. Then those benchmarks need to be shrunk.

LancasterOnline.com: News : Pay-raise foes claim harassment

Read how the Republicans are playing hardball with Young Conservative group.
LancasterOnline.com: News : Pay-raise foes claim harassment: "Pay-raise foes claim harassment
Say Senate operative sent to intimidate them

Friday, August 19, 2005

Final Design For Arena Unveiled

Those in glass houses should not toss stones.
TheKansasCityChannel.com - News - Final Design For Downtown Arena Unveiled The final design for Kansas City's downtown arena was unveiled Thursday.

KMBC's Micheal Mahoney reported that it is a seven-story multipurpose arena that will take up almost 8.5 acres. The outside walls are made of glass.

I spanked the KC Royals of MLB's basement the other day. Now let's ponder the new arena design.

One of the most pressing issues that Pittsburgh faces is the loss of the Civic Arena. If Mario wants a new arena, fine. Let him build it. If Fast Eddie Rendell, PA Governor, wants to see the new arena, let that be his mistake. But -- don't rip down the Civic Arena just to build a new one.

KEEP the Civic Arena.

1 1 = 2 = net gain.

1 - 1 = 1 = NO GAIN, no progress, no brains.

We can use the existing Civic Arena for the circus, Elmo on Ice, Carrick's graduation, and monstor truck pulls where there is NO DEMAND FOR LUXERY BOXES.

In other matters, Pittsburgh's Great Glass Building, beyond the H.Q. of Inspector Gadgett's villan and office space, should be on Pittsburgh's North Side. The Steelers' stage should REALLY be more like a Glass Cathedral. It can't be this big, but Pittsburgh's need is for a 3,000 seat, multi-purpose venue for many situations. Ask me about this some time in person.

S6 possible speaker: Keith Osik

S6 is a concept calling for a sports lecture series. Former Pirate, now minor-leaguer, college coach, father, Keith Osik, could give a good podium talk, I imagine.
PG's Anderson covers Osik's move to put coaching on hold He thought about his family. When asked for advice, 8-year-old Tyler suggested his dad should turn down the minor-league contract. So Osik did.

Wanted: A YOUTH Technology Summit. - deadline for international contest, Sept. 18

Okay, if we take the new Pittsburgh Convention Center and turn it into the casino, there are still many places were we can put the called for YOUTH TECHNOLOGY SUMMIT: Civic Arena, Hilton Hotel, PNC Park, South Vo Tech High School, Greenway Middle School, etc.

World Summit Youth Award (WSYA) program is an international Internet
competition. Organized in the framework of the United Nations' World Summit on the Information Society (WSIS) in partnership with the WSIS Youth Caucus, it is a program aimed at empowering youth by creating digital opportunity.

More info at: www.youthaward.org

WSYA Overview

Are you under 27 with a cool emerging project on the web? Are you a young designer, web developer, social entrepreneur, music producer or artist looking for international exposure? Are you passionate about using technology for social change? Enter now at www.youthaward.org and showcase your project to the world!

Sponsored by the Internet Society, the World Summit Youth Award (WSYA) is an international competition for youth-led projects that bridge the content gap in the emerging Information Society. It is the first global “youth for youth” initiative; promoting best practice in e-content and technological creativity and demonstrating young people’s potential to create digital opportunities. WSYA is not only a showcase to the world for young designers, technologists and e-content creators, it also contributes on a global scale to reducing poverty, protecting the environment, sharing knowledge and empowering marginalized young people. We invite all local and
national chapters of the Internet Society to promote WSYA and support this dynamic, youth-led initiative.

Online projects may be submitted by all applicants less than 27 years of age until September 18, 2005 (by midnight, GMT) in three e-Content categories:

*Development: Rewards the best online platform for youth centred around issues of poverty reduction, environmental sustainability, social justice, health or peace

*Creativity and Culture: Celebrates the most innovative online platform highlighting young people’s potential for producing creative content, promoting multilingualism, creating new contemporary forms of culture and preserving indigenous knowledge and/or traditional culture

*Community Engagement: Showcases the most engaging online platform facilitating young people’s participation in global, national or local decision-making processes and sharing news/ideas to empower youth and build community

World Summit Youth Award finalists and category winners will be selected by members of the WSYA Jury. Comprised of 8-12 global experts in youth engagement, new media and social entrepreneurship, their creative minds bring diversity of perspectives and know-how to the WSYA. Projects will be evaluated on the basis of five criteria

*Content: Quality, comprehensiveness and impact of content

*Design: Usability and aesthetic value of site and graphics

*Innovation & Creativity: Demonstration of significant originality and initiative.

*Interactivity: Level of engagement and action offered by to site users

*Sustainability: Level of project sustainability over time.

WSYA is organized within the framework of the United Nations World Summit on the Information Society in partnership with the WSIS Youth Caucus. WSYA is sponsored by the Internet Society, Siemens AG and Logitech and is operating under the patronage of Viviane Reding, European Commissioner for the Information Society and Media. The WSYA Coordination Team is headquartered at the International Center for New Media (ICNM), an independent non-profit organisation based in Salzburg, Austria.

Value TRIPLES in last week at Blogshares. Explain that!

This blog's value has soared in the past week to triple its former self. This value score seems to be hotter than the price of crude oil.

I know, it's all just a game and for fun. But why?

Can anyone explain the upclick?

Click the "blogshares" button on the left-hand side of this page to get to the proper page.

What's tireless, nearly 30-feet in length and lives for the trash on Pittsburgh's riverfronts -- engagement tonight!

No, the riddle's answer is not a parade of rats.

What’s 28 Feet Long and Eats Trash In the Waters Around Pittsburgh?

In 2003, PA CleanWays of Allegheny County, other non-profit groups, private sponsors and volunteers got together to create "The Tireless Project" to clean up tires and other debris in the rivers running through and around Pittsburgh.

Volunteers started by retrofitting a 28-foot pontoon boat for what they called “mild-duty river cleanup” and in the first year picked up over 32 tons of debris.

Last year, thanks to the support of the Sprout Fund, Tireless Fridays were instituted as a way to build the volunteer base and create awareness about riverfront blight.

The special initiative included five after-work volunteer opportunities throughout the summer organized at illegal dumpsites within or near the city center. Volunteers cleaned a blighted area and once the work was done remained at the site to celebrate their accomplishment of restoring the riverbank’s beauty with a waterfront party complete with food, entertainment, and of course tiki torches.

Over 140 volunteers came together to clean over 12.5 tons of trash and removed 185 tires from the shores of the three rivers. In addition, crews of youth volunteers from the Student Conservation Association and Venture Outdoors Summer Youth Programs assisted in cleaning litter from the South Side Waterfront Park and an illegal dump at Duck Hollow on the Monongahela River.

Two Tireless Fridays remain! The next event is August 19th at Duck Hollow from 4:30 p.m. to approximately 10 p.m. Musical performances are being offered by John Hayes and Frets & Feet (Daphne & Charlie Anderson).

"The Tireless Project" is a collaborative effort of PA CleanWays of Allegheny County and Three Rivers Rowing Association. Supporting partners include Venture Outdoors, Friends of the Riverfront, the Student Conservation Association and Pennsylvania American Water Company.

For more information, visit The Tireless Project webpage or to volunteer, email tirelessfridays@hotmail.com or call 412-381-1301.

Courtesy www.paenviromentaldigest.com, Holston & Crisci

This sounds like a drip problem, not a spill.

The Dormont Pool was evacuated on Thursday due to a chemical spill. Hazardous materials crews were called to the scene when workers at the pool spotted a tank that appeared to be leaking hydrochloric acid. No injuries were reported, and the pool is expected to be open the next day.

Rogues meet on Saturday, Aug 20 at Holiday Inn Select near S.H. Village

Original source: Herb Ohliger, herb138 -at- fyi.net
In Chester County (population 500,000), at least two head trauma patients have died during the one-hour ride to Lancaster General Hospital. There are no full time neurosurgeons and no trauma center left in Chester County.

In Titusville, just north of here, the last orthopedic surgeon left earlier this year. Across the state, OB/GYN’s have dropped obstetrics from their practice.

And at present, only 4% of the doctors in Pennsylvania are under the age of 35.

High costs of medical malpractice insurance (and also the high probability of being sued) are driving physicians out of the state or into early retirement.

In 2003, though, the state legislature passed a reform bill which has had a positive effect. The 1,815 medical malpractice suits filed in 2004 were a 34% drop from the 2,751 average of the years 2000 to 2002.

The state representative who spearheaded that bill, Mike Turzai introduced another malpractice reform bill in June of this year and is coming to the Rogues breakfast on Saturday, August 20 to tell us about it. And to tell us how we may be able to help get it passed.

Rogues meet at 9 am, Saturday, August 20, 2005 at The Holiday Inn on Fort Couch Road in Bethel Park. Cost is $13. Please RSVP by Friday the 19th to 412 279.1222 or email me so that I can get a count for the Holiday Inn. You may still attend (PLEASE) even if you don't RSVP.

Please pass the word to people you know and invite them to join us this Saturday. This should be an informative session.

Fixing Pennsylvania’s Unconstitutional Election Code

The Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania is seeking sponsors for Pennsylvania Election Code legislation.

Several sections of the Pennsylvania Election Code (Title 25) have been deemed unconstitutional in federal court. States Ken Crippen, chair of the Legislative Action Committee of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania, “The PEC needs to be updated according to judicial rulings. We cannot allow Pennsylvania statutes to contain sections that are unconstitutional.” The Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania has thus drafted legislation that deals with three of the main topics at issue: filing fees, affiants for signature petitions and fusion of candidates with major political parties.

Filing Fees

Under present law, candidates are required to pay a filing fee when submitting nomination papers or petitions. In the case Belitskus et.al. v. Pizzingrilli (343 F. 3rd 632; 3rd Circuit 2003), the court ruled that the mandatory filing fee, coupled with no alternative means to gain ballot access, violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. The LPPa bill proposes that the State add alternative means, in this case community service, for candidates to gain access to the ballot.

Affiants for signature petitions

Also, under present law, nominating petition affiants in Pennsylvania must be registered voters. In the case Morrill et.al. v. Weaver (224 F. Supp. 2d 882; 2002 U.S. Dist.), the court ruled that this unconstitutionally violates citizen’s rights to free political expression and association under the First and Fourteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution. The LPPa bill proposes that the requirement that nominating petition affiants in Pennsylvania must be registered voters be repealed.

Fusion of candidates with major political parties

In addition, the present law permits major parties to fuse candidates (cross nominate candidates across party lines) for local offices but preclude minor parties from exercising the same right. In Patriot Party of Allegheny County v. Allegheny County Department of Elections (case citation 95 F. 3d 253 (3d Cir. 1996)), the court ruled that “Pennsylvania’s decision to ban cross-nominations by minor political parties and to allow cross-nomination by major parties constituted the type of ‘invidious classifications’ prohibited by the Equal Protection Clause… The court noted that the Pennsylvania statutes laws treated minor and major parties differently and placed a more severe burden on minor political parties’ rights.” The LPPa bill proposes to eliminate these additional burdens on minor political parties.

David Jahn, Chair of the Pennsylvania Libertarian Party, states “the courts have found several requirements within our election code that contradict our constitution. This bill proposes common sense remedies to alleviate those concerns. All we need now are some sponsors willing to do the right thing.”

The Libertarian Party is the third largest political party in the United States with over 600 officials serving in office throughout the nation. Please visit www.LP.org or www.LPPA.org for more information on the Libertarian Party.

For more information contact:
Doug Leard (Media Relations) or David Jahn (Chair) at 1-800-R-RIGHTS

Clarion County reaches major milestone for political organizational goals

The Libertarian Party of Clarion County (LPCC) is pleased to announce that it has reached the membership and organizational goals necessary to merit a seat on the Executive Board of the Libertarian Party of Pennsylvania. The LPCC will now be able to convey the concerns of its members directly to the state level.

See comments for more.

Time to go home. Makes best sense to me.

Anti-war protester Cindy Sheehan calls her mother's stroke a "devastating blow" that has forced her to leave "Camp Casey" temporarily.

Sure, the stroke is a devastating blow. But it is well worth the exit.

People need to keep up the fight and avoid burn out. Too many times I've seen advocates get into a battle and leave it all on the battle field -- and be wiped out. You've got to fight the good fight as best you can -- and LIVE TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY.

Keep some of the forces at home. Be reasonable with yourself and your family. Be prudent. Take care of yourself and your loved ones, first.

I think it was a wise move for Sheehan to retreat. Her message got out. Her time there had concluded. Move on, even.